AI sees through walls

[Othobrithol]

I find drop pods punching through my roof far more cheezy and annoying than sappers.

I have to agree with the camp that says that clairvoyant sappers are a bit of an immersion breaker and need improvement. In general I think it would be far better if they tracked how much of the interior of a base they have seen (similar to how they learn where traps are) and based their attacks off that information. If they don't know of a reachable tile they can get to without entering turret coverage then they should dig in at a point just outside of turret coverage.

Having them avoid hitting the same spot over and over again is also important. I've taken to booby-trapping their prior tunnels and it's too effective.

We also definitely need the capability to cave in tiles with some sort of explosive device.

But I'd also like to see a few more means to break kill-boxes like AI Pawns using long range EM or explosives to disable/destroy turrets, prioritize external power sources (anybody ever play any Command and Conquer title?) to drop the turrets, or intentionally target the linkages between turrets and your power grid if they are exposed. I roll my eyes every time a raid shows up and all five of the rocket launchers they brought along get targeted at my pawns.

[Jamini]

Alternatively, you could abuse sapper AI and set up a fortified position where they are most likely to dig in before sappers arrive. Dig out a room near the edge of your base for them to mine into, drop a few IED traps inside, and defend the far chokepoint with a few grenadiers, melee specialists, and minigun/shogun-users.

Using the right tools for every combat situation is the best way to succeed. Grenades and automatics are great for the tight chokepoints that sappers make, and having at least one or two guys who are decent with a gladius to cover your shooters is all you need to handle even large raids. My preferred chokepoints are kind of like this

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XXXXX......
XXIXX......
XXOXX......
XXDXXXX
XIOIXXXX
XOOOXXXX
XDSDXXXX
MAGAMXXX
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. = Outside
X = Walls (Natural or artificial
O = floors with sandbags or stone chunks
S = Sandbags or Embrasures, depending on modset
D = Door (forbidden)
I = IED
M = Melee specialist (Cycles to with the automatic users if the raiders get too close
G = Grenade specialist (Backs up one tile if raiders get too close)
A = Automatic Specialist (PDW, Assault Rifles, or Miniguns, backs up if the radiers get too close.)

Sappers see the 1-tile wall and try to break through, or go in through the side of the killbox as they consider it a weak point. The lack of turrets means they won't avoid it. The grenadier dumbfires into the chokepoint, shattering shields while automatics lay down suppressive fire, melee specialists move in if anything gets close. Any enemies with launchers or grenades are targetted first. Molotovs optional, but can be incorporated. More grenade users can be set up behind the first line of colonists.

While this is going on, I often have colonists with rocket launchers and sniper rifles flanking the sapper team. They pick off enemies in the following order:

Raider Rocket Launchers > Raider Snipers > Raider Grenadiers > Anyone else they can pick off.

Similar tactics can be used against wargs or tribals if they go for constructed walls/doors near the sapper-trap. Though in that case anyone picking off stragglers needs to be in good health and have good mobility since many tribals and wargs are very fast.

[NemesisN]

I find drop pods punching through my roof far more cheezy and annoying than sappers.

hold on...drop pods punch trough your roofs ? really ? I never seen on experienced that...drop pods only drop outside on unroofed areas...are you using a mod ?

[Jamini]

I find drop pods punching through my roof far more cheezy and annoying than sappers.

hold on...drop pods punch trough your roofs ? really ? I never seen on experienced that...drop pods only drop outside on unroofed areas...are you using a mod ?

Raider drop pods can go through constructed roofs.

[RemingtonRyder]

I've had sappers attack but their pattern of attack does not exactly say 'clairvoyant' but rather 'I choose this place! Oh wait I'm bored now I'll choose this place!'

Like really, all they had to do was break through one door and they could have torched all the crops.

[DaemonDeathAngel]

I either just sat here and read nine pages of someone shoeing how completely stupid they are, or trolling the complete shit out of everyone... My I.Q. Had to have dropped a few points from all of this.

user was temp banned for this (in addition to previous warning on other issue) - 15 days

[NemesisN]

I find drop pods punching through my roof far more cheezy and annoying than sappers.

hold on...drop pods punch trough your roofs ? really ? I never seen on experienced that...drop pods only drop outside on unroofed areas...are you using a mod ?

Raider drop pods can go through constructed roofs.

I have been playing RimWorld for a year never I had experienced that in vanilla

[NemesisN]

I either just sat here and read nine pages of someone shoeing how completely stupid they are, or trolling the complete shit out of everyone... My I.Q. Had to have dropped a few points from all of this.

nobody forced you to read or visit this topic...you chose that yourself...you do not need to insult me and my topic by saying this is a troll...people discuss about everything related to this game here that is why its called General Discussion

If you think this topic is stupid then leave and don't read it....its that simple....use that little I.Q. of what you had left to do that

[TLHeart]

I find drop pods punching through my roof far more cheezy and annoying than sappers.

hold on...drop pods punch trough your roofs ? really ? I never seen on experienced that...drop pods only drop outside on unroofed areas...are you using a mod ?

Raider drop pods can go through constructed roofs.

I have been playing RimWorld for a year never I had experienced that in vanilla

Added in alpha 11, raiders can drop through constructed roofs, and through thin rock roofs... which means if there is a thin rock roof in your mountain base, they will drop through that spot.
And there is always some thin rock roofs in the mountains.

The random drop pods can also drop through the same spots.

[NemesisN]

wow that sounds like even more sapper version of annoying attacks...I never experienced it but if they also hit 100% accuracy trough roofs into hidden rooms they might be even more annoying and bad then digging sappers

[Jamini]

They seem to prefer to pod down near trade beacons. I'm surprised you haven't seen it, I get drop pod raids with fair regularity. One of my earliest colonies (ice sheet biome) had a group pod directly into the dining room.

The AI and mechanics of this game tend to favor players who can adapt their strategies, and aren't afraid to occasionally lose. I have any fond memories of losing colonies already. (Berserk Rhinos are not to be trifled with in melee!) and I'm anticipating more. Perhaps you should, rather than complain about mechanics intended to keep you on your toes, adapt your playstyle and fortress around them?

[NemesisN]

DaemonDeathAngel  calling me stupid and a troll is by no means a compliment in any way....maybe you should google the meaning of an insult and a compliment and learn the difference

I don't know in what world you live in inside your head to think I turn people off from the community...that is just silly to say

I only said to some people that they are not right when they made up explanations like X-Ray and similar which are not part of the game its just a made up theory

you are acting childish...grow up

[Mikhail Reign]

How bout you both take what Ty said into consideration?

I appreciate lively discussion but please keep it friendly everyone.

[NemesisN]

How bout you both take what Ty said into consideration?

I appreciate lively discussion but please keep it friendly everyone.

I would like that but apparently some people are pissed of with my dislikes on this game feature so they have a need to insults with childish insults like calling me stupid, retard, douche, troll instead of having a normal discussion

I did created this topic to have a serious discussion about this feature...at least like adults without silly name callings but that is not how it ended up to be with some people just being pissed of for no reason

[zandadoum]

I would like that but apparently some people are pissed of with my dislikes on this game feature so they have a need to insults with childish insults like calling me stupid, retard, douche, troll instead of having a normal discussion

you brought that up to yourself with your closeminded attitude, your lack of arguments (and lack of imagination, which you have prooved several pages ago) and not accepting ANYTHING from ANYONE who is not agreeing with you.
ergo, you didn't actually come here to discuss at all, you just came here to find people who would backup your stupid opinion about the AI. otherwise, you would actually listen to what dozens of other people have told you and try to actually DISCUSS with people that are not agreeing with you, rather than all the stupid, nonsene babble you have posted the past pages over and over.

you have been prooven wrong ages ago and you ran out of arguments ages ago... just... just stop. do yourself a favour. like i already told you pages ago: you look more and more stupid with every word you write. just stop and get out while you can.