Rimworld Wiki! (old thread)

[garg1]

Has anyone looked into these other free wikis? DocuWiki, PmWiki, and WikkaWiki?

I use DocuWiki on a regular basis (building a fantasy-setting with friends of mine with it).
It's simple (filesystem-architecture, no DB-Skills needed. we even run it via DropBox atmom so we dont need webspace ), easy to expand (there are TONS of mods and addons you can install and update via the GUI of the wiki itself) and it runs fast enough... for me (i think it's fine as long you don't have a bajillion articles ). You have a good range of possibilities to customize it (a bit of research and work required).
Afaik docuwiki is a "simplified" version of mediawiki, wouldn't place a bet on that fact though.
The very only contra i see: It's a bit hard to "re-organize" the articles because you don't have a db-architecture. To prevent this you need to plan a little bit so the filestructure won't be too messed up.

We used wikia for the same project but stopped working with it, because of copyright-insecurities. No problems for a game-wiki i think.
I had extremly good experience with the Customer-Support of wikia. If you don't want a lot of work and don't need customization it's a nice and easy way, but i think those 4-5 enthusiasts who will continuosly take care of the wiki WANT to be able to customize stuff.

http://www.wikimatrix.org/wizard.php <= That helped me a lot by the time i searched for a fitting wiki.

[British]

i dont like wikia,

it is confusing, most time you cant find what youre looking for and there are a lot of ads, so my old laptop on work cant handle it 

better is mediawiki, better navigation and presentation

Wikia is very fine with AdBlock.

And, as someone who uploaded hundreds of pictures to Wikia, it also wins some points on that matter... more so since I'm yet to find how to upload anything on MediaWiki.

We just need to kickstart (pun intended) MediaWiki (or any other "local" wiki Tynan decides to choose) to be up to par, but in the meantime, Wikia stays up.

[Tynan]

Okay, I've installed DocuWiki at http://ludeon.com/rimworldwiki/

Please take a look at it and see what you think. It seems to have useful WYSIWYG functionality and is pretty straightforward and clean.

It if passes muster I'd like to see the Wikia content moved over before it grows.

I'll be honest - I really, really want to kill the Wikia. I know some of you are Internet masters with adblock magic happening, but most of us are not. And this is just really offensive, isn't it?

[British]

True, but... "AdBlock magic" ? Really ?
It's a simple addon that works on just about every common browser...
It doesn't require any specific skill to install, other than going to the browser's website and do a search (or do it from inside the browser).

[Tynan]

True, but... "AdBlock magic" ? Really ?
It's a simple addon that works on just about every common browser...
It doesn't require any specific skill to install, other than going to the browser's website and do a search (or do it from inside the browser).

I know it's easy, but I still suspect most people don't use it. The wiki should work well and be clean for the grand mass of people.

[British]

Probably.

Anyway, it would most likely have been less radical to put that "new" wiki somewhere else.
Since we're still skimming through candidates, we might as well try different ones at the same time, rather than one by one.

[Ferigad]

You can upload pictures with mediawiki, but it is one by one. Or you can get a FTP access to the mediawiki Server and simply upload the whole package at once. But before you can use the mediawiki uploadsystem you have to activate it in the configfile of mediawiki, serverside.

DokuWiki has only one setback like garg1 said it. You have to beginn in a structured way, because it has no PHP database. It saves all as TXT files on the server and it´s not that easy to make a radical change when you hit a certain complexity in your wiki.

Template example

[British]

I just tried DokuWiki a bit.
I don't like the fact that it *requires* a real name field to be filled for registration, nor am I fond of the usernames being all lowercases.
Those are not important, of course, but, maybe a bit more significant, there's a 2MB limit on uploads (for each file).
The syntax is also different than MediaWiki (and thus Wikia).

In closing, I'm going to stay away of the creation of the wiki(s).
I'll help with cleaning/readability/correcting/whatnot, but we need people that actually know and use those tools to set them up proper first.

[Ferigad]

I can at least tell you that you can edit the registration form (at the serverconfigs) and put in any things you want to know or not want to know about a person (like delete the name needed).

And you can increase the default 2 megabyte limit in the serverconfigs. Yes, the Syntax is different, but moste functions can be created/used by the build in editor of DokuWiki.

About capital letters. Well, no clue. I know that capital letters had some issues with some plugins, on the other hand, the username is only required for a account when you do maintenance. But honestly, it would irritate me too. The only tricky thing is to configurate the wiki before using it. But thats the issue with every wiki that is installed on a own server.

[Hypolite]

The thing is, even if we move to a self-hosted wiki, there will probably be a RimWorld Wikia anyway, so it's probably better to control it from here. That's the "total PR control" scenario, of course, and it involves duplicating content, which is bad. I'll take a look at DokuWiki next week.

[Turbo]

Can you get the Wikia to refer to the Ludeon hosted one then only update one?

[British]

Can you get the Wikia to refer to the Ludeon hosted one then only update one?

I doubt that we can do a "direct redirection", but we can empty Wikia, lock it to prevent modification, and set a link that redirect to Ludeon's.
That won't be pretty, though, but as time goes on, people will go to the new one.

We're not there yet, anyway.

[Ferigad]

Usually, if you got 1 good wiki running, nobody will be intressted in making another one. Because creating a wiki, content and get all the links right, update it regular and so on is work, real work. Nothing to do with fun, it´s basicly administrationwork. I doubt that somebody else would make a wikia if another well documented wiki exists, on the other hand if a wikia exists, even with ad´s, nobody will go through the trouble to make a mediafire wiki, as example (except they really really hate Wikia). I could easly live with the existing wikia. Despite the Ad´s and that you are not in control of the wikiserver itselfs, there are no real issues against using the wikia.

[garg1]

I think the most important thing right now is to set up one wiki (as soon as it's chosen) in a way it's:

• user-friendly (mostly changing registration-options like the realname-thing)
  
• looking kinda "ready" (?) (come on, right now most guys see the default-template of docuwiki and think "oh, it's a construction site, i think i'll wait till it's set up")

To point 2:
Unfortunately i have no experience with dw-templates (never needed one because my own wiki is only for private use) but there are a lot you can choose from. (https://www.dokuwiki.org/template)
I guess someone (if he/she wants to) needs to do the administration (for which he/she needs to get admin-status) for the wiki. The setting-up is most of the work right now.
(I can imagine Tynan won't have time to seriously do research on docuwikis possibilities)

Your thoughts on this?

EDIT: I screened our current setup of docuwiki, hopes it helps. As mentioned, we use the standart-template.
Sorry about the massive censoring, i'm a bit paranoid about copyright :S. Hope the quality is readable.



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[JugglerX]

Hi Guys,

I'm not sure what the decision is on the wiki. If you need assistance themeing either medi-wiki or docuwiki i'm willing to help. I know media wiki can be themed locally and uploaded (ie files given to Tynan in a .zip and simply installed). If docuwiki is similar I can have a crack at themeing that as well.

I'm not particularly interested in maintaining the wiki, but im putting my hand up for production support in themeing it. Totally agree that usability and maintainability of the wiki is just as important perhaps more important then the theme. Happy to take guidance on what is ultimately easier to maintain and use from experienced wiki mods.

If someone else is already themeing the wiki, let me know and I wont get up in your space.