Alpha 13 - New events are gonna be hilarious

[Noobshock]

But I wouldn't put anything past a forum where saying that The Thing was good because it had no women in it is somehow acceptable.

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It's a rather rare occurrence in movies and it's one of the things that make this particular one stand out as it adds to the grim and desperate atmosphere. How that's offensive to anyone is a mystery to me.

[Reddeath96]

I've read this entire thread and all I can think about was mass effect 3. I had gone through 2 so many times to get all of the endings and relationships with all the characters you can. So when I played 3 it wasn't much different. Until I happened across two gay characters on the ship. At first I thought "why?" Then it hit me. I was playing a video game, but not only that but one where I had gotten intimate with a few other alien species. I'm not saying I support or hate the idea. It just adds something else to the game. Something that makes it a little more real. Ever since I started playing rimworld I've wanted not only more tech and items to build and research, but more of a reason to believe my colonist are real and living people with lives and feelings. And honestly a canibal bothers me more than a gay person would. Unless they're preachy.

Now I'm thinking about preachy canibals.

[Carlyscarlet]

If you mean perhaps hermaphrodites whom are literally born a certain way,  then yes. Though those are hermaphrodites,  not transgender.

As for alternatives,  a bit unsure what else you can mean.... Unless you mean perhaps those who consider themselves  "just"  more fem or butch,  but id call that a personality quirk,  not necessarily full blown transgender. So if you want to explain how im wrong instead of just SAYING im wrong,  go right ahead.  Otherwise I'm inclined to not believe you, if you don't explain yourself.

Also,  not sure about the "no women thing"  i never said that,  and realize women are capable,  but protected in life,  since they are valuable compared to men. (childbearing,  pleasant company,  slightly more vulnerable health wise,  ect)  and fyi,  women in rimworld can do whatever men can, as far as I'm aware. (Though a bellcurve for strength / dexterity between genders would be cool.)

Transgender people are also born a certain way as well. We experience dysphoria for having a body that doesn't match our gender identity. I'm not sure what your point is here.

Your second paragraph is basically expression of masculinity/femininity, that goes beyond being just transgender and can be applied to everyone. While survival is a big aspect of the game and jobs aren't really gendered, some clothing/hairstyles/accessories can be described as feminine/masculine. Maybe there can be a system to apply this femininity/masculinity in-game. Some survivors are more feminine/masculine in expression and will wear stuff that they like, probably for a mood buff. Gives an incentive to diversify clothing.

Anyways, on the whole "transgender" dealio. As said before, "transgenderness" is more than just changing our bodies. Its important, but it varies. Some want hormones and surgery, some just want hormones and are uncomfortable with surgery, some are just fine with just dressing as the gender they are and aren't really comfortable with hormones or surgery. But the whole interconnecting thing is dysphoria, which is the uncomfortableness one has with ones body because it doesn't match your gender identity. Real Thing (tm).

So how will this be modeled in game? A mood debuff called dysphoria that applies to all transgender survivors. Transgender survivors will usually wear clothing that matches their gender identity for a small mood buff that partially mitigates their debuff. If they get hormones, their physically shape changes and they get a permanent mood buff that cancels out the dysphoria or even goes over it a bit. If they get surgery, the dysphoria debuff goes away and they get a permanent mood buff that makes it hard for them to break.

Now, this path assumes all transgender characters want to go down the path of surgery, which isn't true IRL but is simplified for the game. Now, transgender people in game as in real life are pretty rare. Low rate of occurrence but we still exist. If you get one and take the time and money to invest in them, you can end up with a survivor who is pretty hard to break, signifying their dedication to the colony that did so much for them.

[Noobshock]

Transgenderism is a mental illness. Strong feelings of inadequacy does not mean you are born the wrong gender or that chopping your dick off will help your life down the line. This will become obvious once all the special-snowflakism and victim-culture rentseeking die down as a result of economic contraction. Right now the places advocating for these ideas are not scientific but social echo-chambers (hello tumblr) where the slightest hint of disagreement or calling into question the ballooning insanity where "I identify as a pansexual dragonkin" is taken seriously (because hey, you can "identify" as a dog if you feel like it) leads to hysterical witch-hunts.

The strongest evidence in the nature vs nurture debate when it comes to sexual preference and gender identity are studies of identical twins. I'll let you guess what their conclusions are.

Unfortunately tumblr & co aren't interested in science. The LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ advocacy groups are little more than a cult at this point.

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Pretend noobshock doesn't exist.

[Adamiks]

Noobshock, even if transgenderism is a mental illness, why you care so much about some people chopping off their dicks just to feel better? I mean, hey, if that will help them in anyway, they can chop whatever they fucking want.

[Noobshock]

More like: pretend science on these subjects isn't relevant and keep reading tumblr. We get it bruh.

Either way, I don't really care so much but like I've said it's become more like a cult than a movement dedicated to actually helping people (which you can't do if you make it a point to ignore all evidence that doesn't go your way), and it's one of the most aggressively preachy cults out there. So it's not so much that I care, rather that if I don't, these people will find it a productive endeavor to troll all the way to videogame development forums to make sure their made-up identities are culturally supported, since science isn't going to do it. And besides I don't particularly enjoy the thought of letting confused teenagers self-mutilate permanently because some kooky transgender advocate told them it was a good idea.

[Jstank]

This post is now relevant for valentines day. Happy valentines day...

[Listy]

Wait... I just checked back onto the forums after several months away and I have a question.

Tynan appears to be back, and the development hiatus has been lifted? If so Where do I find the change log/devblog?

Thanks.

[Shinzy]

Wait... I just checked back onto the forums after several months away and I have a question.

Tynan appears to be back, and the development hiatus has been lifted? If so Where do I find the change log/devblog?

Thanks.

http://ludeon.com/blog/
The good old changelog isn't being kept anymore

[Listy]

Got it. Thanks.

[ZestyLemons]

I think Tynan is making the right call.  Looking at what CK2 does and just putting it in because it exists.  Gay people are a thing, so they are in.  The dark horrible stuff that can happen because he simply includes a feature doesnt mean the feature should be avoided.  Kids happen, so they should be put in. (Eventually) What we do with them and the terrible things that can happen are just a part of that.  If you want to have a colony where all you do is eat children and gay people... well thats your call... but Tynan shouldnt avoid those bits to the game just because thats what someone wants to do. 

As for what he said about the End Game, some games dont have an end game and thats the point.  SimCity (Skylines now) was a good game because there was never an end.  DF doesnt have an end, you can keep sending dwarfs to reclaim the same hold over and over.  its not COD giving a 'story' that you try to get too the end of ASAP, its about giving you a place to tell a story.  one that has as much depth as possible. (while still being fun)  My colony in A12 is almost 20years old.  i could have had a whole new generation by now.  Once RW is totally finished I could play endlessly and always find the fun in telling a story and never knowing how its going to end.

It's definitely the right call. It's hurtful to see opposition to tough content even though the well-praised Dwarf Fortress has all this relationship stuff in it, and I haven't seen anyone complain about it there.

[mumblemumble]

The reason why people care about transgendereism is because people doing such things quickly become even more insecure. Mindsets can be changed with work (which is why i really want a "personal growth"  feature in rimworld)  but flesh is much harder.

Quite simply,  if a guy chops his dick off and has regret later (this DOES happen quite often)  then he is fucked,  and generally commits suicide,  as if he is a heterosexual male after he realizes his regret,  he also realizes he will NEVER be able to be intimate with a woman,  which is obscenely depressing.

And honestly those who become "transgender"  (as someone else made a ruckus on making sure i know it means a very broad definition)  very often change their mind and realize they are just insecure. I've seen,  and encountered this several times, and its tragic especially if not realized in time, like my experience of a ftm friend who realized she could be straight (formerly identified as les) after being my friend for 5 years, but came to me desperately wanting it after extensive hormone treatment. Of course,  me being straight,  i rejected her,  because the appearance of her was  downright repulsive, and it was very traumatic for her to realize she could be straight,  work up the courage to ask,  only to be rejected by the looks which were not how she naturally was,  but now irreversible.

And for the record,  i agree with noobshock on the mental illness idea,  and find everyone saying to ignore it INSTEAD of arguing a point very telling that they might not even believe it themselves but have EXTREME levels of cognitive dissonance . Transgenderism generally stems from feelings of inferiority. The woman who was trans before admitted this to me,  as she was raped countless times as a child, and began to despise her "weak femininity"  as she called it. I know if her inferiority issues were addressed,  she would be a much happier person. Not to say i hate such people,  i don't,  but i feel for them. I've been there myself,  growing up i had no father and a mother always talked about men being scumbag monsters when i was a boy,  and i felt very,  very ashamed of my masculinity for half a decade,  hating myself,  my sex drive,  and very possibly being a transsexual "candidate"  had i met anyone who suggested and supported it. But thankfully with time sex became acceptable,  i like my body,  and urges,  while still annoying do not cause the suicidal panic they used to have,  nor the immense guilt,  or feeling like a "monster which only existed to hurt women"  as my mother said.

So yeah...  I've seen several examples of this,  sexuality is very much formed by events,  not just "how someone is". Childhood,  abuse,  parental experience,  trauma,  and other factors all lead into it,  and generally you can even identify why we have certain fetishes if you really identify what happened in the past. And insecurity is best addressed directly,  as padding it with things to comfort it only makes one more unstable. Just like someone having a phobia over something refusing to ever acknowledge it exists,  will make them gaurentee to shut down if they are triggered by it,  rather than just facing their fear,  and slowly gaining the ability to stay calm about it.

[Bancheis]

While I generally tend to avoid posting on these "controversial" topics, I feel obligated to post as a long time gamer.

First and foremost, I have no problems with the proposed additions to the game. They seem like sound and legitimate mechanics to add towards the randomness that is RimWorld. Everyone has the right to their opinions, so for the most part I don't see an issue with the majority of posts here. Some do tend to go a bit overboard though. I really do love how people pointed out wearing hats made of people is less of a moral issue than introducing homosexuals.

That said, I can also understand the other side of the comments. Some people are concerned about adding all these real life aspects to a game. I share this concern as well, but I am still open to new mechanics that enhance the gameplay. Many people do play games as an escape, but that doesn't mean it can't have these aspects to it. It is your game, do what you want with the mechanics it provides. I doubt I am the only one who has made an entire cannibal only colony in which I ate anyone that didn't fit in. I look forward to making a fabulous colony, and downloading mods that add 100's of new colors for the carpets that will decorate my floors. Now I know not everyone would find that entertaining, but I come from an age of gaming where we didn't know what we found entertaining until someone made it for us (and of course, until we gave it a chance).

TL;DR Give it a chance. While you don't make the decisions on what mechanics get added, you do control what happens with them.

[mumblemumble]

Yeah... It really is just an argument over "how does sexuality and mentality work.". But its been stigmatized as something you don't talk about so much in society that now that everyone has a reason to talk about it (possibly adding it in,  possibly modeled after "reality")  people are all tense and insist they want their version,  without entertaining the idea they might possibly be wrong,  and simply do not want to hear disagreements because cognitive dissonance. So despite wanting something,  they won't sit down and debate it.

Its actually seriously amusing, especially because the topic ensures everyone can say how they feel,  without the defense of certain thoughts being "discrimination"  shutting down  opinions that might be offensive to those who disagree.

Well,  unless someone is just an asshole about something,  but myself,  I am trying to be as civil as possible because i know many people would LOVE to shut me up,  just based on such an opinion. This is why i hate censorship,  ridiculous stuff should be debunked,  not just labeled as taboo.